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De La Rey, FNB and unwanted guardians

An analysis for Moneyweb by former UCT Politics Professor Hermann Giliomee.

Hermann Giliomee*
01 March 2007 00:00

Two seemingly unrelated events have dominated extra-parliamentary politics over the past month: There was First National Bank's aborted advertising campaign about the grave crisis of violent crime, and then there were the concerted efforts by white and black commentators to discredit the enthusiastic response to Bok van Blerk's song calling for a heroic figure like the Boer War general Koos de la Rey to lead the Afrikaners out of their present state of political disarray and impotence.

Yet both events are intimately connected.  Both have to do with the ANC's enduring desire to impose its will over civil society. It has long been recognized that such domination is achieved not through extending control over each and every individual, but rather through the atomization of society.  The goal is, Leonard Schapiro observed, to reduce individuals to moral loneliness "by denying them the support of what Emile Durkheim called ‘intermediate societies'. ... Isolation of the individual was brought about with the aid of the party which was used to penetrate and render harmless virtually all institutions of society."

It is in this context that FNB's breaking of ranks to launch its anti-crime campaign, and the revival of Afrikaner patriotism which has finally found its anthem is felt as such a profound challenge.

One of First National Bank's senior board members told me that the phrase that caused most alarm in government ranks about its planned advertisement was the reference to "mobilizing the population'.  In the first meeting with Paul Harris and his team the Minister for Police demanded to know what this meant. Clearly he had visions of the mass demonstrations in the late 1980s of the Eastern European societies. Taken aback the FNB officials explained that by mobilizing the population they had merely meant getting the public to assist the police more effectively and purposefully.

According to reports, the De la Rey song was born after a very convivial evening in a pub. The idea of the creators of the song was to celebrate a heroic figure in the more distant Afrikaner past. Gen. Koos de la Rey was probably preferred to Christiaan de Wet mainly because it rhymes with the refrain "om weer die Boere te kom lei."

As it happens, no panel of historians could have chosen a figure from the Anglo-Boer War that speaks more tellingly about our present. In the South African War (1899-1902) Koos de la Rey, along with Louis Botha, Jan Smuts and other Transvaal Bittereinders, along with their Free State counterparts, fought a heroic battle against the might of the British army. 

It was the valor of the Bittereinders and the courage during the grim but ultimately glorious final two years of the war which prompted Smuts to write that ‘every child to be born in South Africa was to have a proud self-respect and a more erect carriage before the nations of the world.'

Farming in the western Transvaal, De la Rey was elected to the first Union Parliament as member of the Louis Botha's South African Party. The Union of South Africa was still young and the white euphoria accompanying the establishment of the new state quickly dissipated. The Afrikaners found it difficult to identify with many of the new state's institutions, for example, the military and the civil service.

The trigger of the armed rebellion that broke out in September was the decision of the Botha government to agree to the request of the British government to occupy German South Africa.  De la Rey now summoned armed burghers of the Western Transvaal to a meeting. His reputation was so great that thousands of burghers would rally to his call, particularly if it was cast as an attempt to regain the independence of the republics. But before he could address a meeting he was shot dead accidentally at a police road blockade. There were widespread rumors that he had been killed on government orders, but a judicial inquest later found that it was an accident.

In August 2006, at the Afrikaans festival Aardklop held in Potchefstroom, Bok van Blerk first sang his song calling on De la Rey once again to lead the Boers out of their state of disarray. Subsequently it sold an unheard figure of more than 100 000 CDs.

There are reasons why the song has been so stunningly successful, particularly among the Afrikaner youth.  As Martiens van Bart, a cultural critic on the staff of Die Burger wrote, it satisfies the youth's yearning for leaders of integrity (Jan Smuts called De la Rey ‘one of the whitest souls who ever lived'), for a willingness to make the ultimate sacrifice to pursue justice and autonomy, for great courage under fire and above all for putting ideals higher than the sordid scramble for material gain and conspicuous consumption.

Above all it is prized because it satisfies the Afrikaner youth's desire for political incorrectness. How better to show up the Afrikaners in their middle age, who tend to live on their knees politically, by singing a song about a fearless leader in the past who was driven by his convictions and prepared to pay the price for unpopularity?

            One of the ironies of these affairs is that the ANC is currently weak and divided- and not itself able to enforce its hegemony over society. It has relied instead on its allies in business and the English press to try and bring FNB and the Afrikaner youth back into line. It was the presidency's loyal courtiers in the business community who blew the whistle on the FNB's campaign, thereby giving government the opportunity to squash the initiative and to kill any further business activism on crime. The presidency, it was argued, had be carefully flattered, placated and cajoled - anything resembling criticism or opposition was to be avoided at all costs.

 In the case of the De la Rey song certain commentators in the English press have set themselves up as guardians against the unwelcome news of Afrikaner discontent. The cleansing of the civil service of Afrikaner men, the relentless march of affirmative action, the increasing marginalization of Afrikaans as language of instruction, of business and of government, and the near-obliteration of Afrikaner history in the new school textbooks, the planned changing of numerous historic place names, including Pretoria and and Potchefstroom  -- all these have all  been depicted as mere ‘phantom pains' and dismissed as legitimate reasons for complaint.

These self-appointed courtiers and guardians are doing the country no favours. The grievances of many Afrikaners are intensely felt and if the ruling majority wants to avoid storing up trouble for itself in the future it should take cognisance of them now. As far as the FNB campaign is concerned all the evidence points to the fact that the government only responds when confronted by a mobilised civil society that it cannot co-opt or control. Zachie Achmat's Treat Action Campaign is a perfect example of this. If there is one thing that the white and black public shares, it is the demand that the opposition to a bungling and unresponsive government should be tough, committed, brave and prepared to test the limits. Like general De la Rey did.   

* Hermann Giliomee was Professor of Political Studies at the University of CapeTown and is now writing full time. He edited several books, including The Awkward Embrace  on one-party domination in the unconsolidated democracies of South Africa, Mexico, Singapore and Taiwan (Harwoord Publishers)  and is author of The Afrikaners: Biography of a People (Tafelberg). He lives in Stellenbosch.



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The reaons for De La Rey fame
On the outbreak of war, De la Rey was appointed one of Piet Cronjé's field generals. The first shots of the war were fired in an attack on a British armored train on the way to Mafeking at Kraaipan, led by De la Rey. The train was derailed and after . .more

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 13:44
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Afrikaaner Nationalism Again
While I don't disagree with the points about crime and unresponsive government I cant feel any sympathy for Afrikaaner nationalism.

Not so long ago we had Afrikaans culture/history etc shoved down our throats just like the new world view . .more

by Not Again on March 01 2007, 14:45
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Afrikaner Nationalism
Let's not be too hard on the Afrikaners, after all who taught the ANC and their silliness??

by Neal O'Donnell on March 01 2007, 20:08
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Mobilisation
Lets not regress into ethic and language squabbles and let middle and working class South Africans of all colours and persuasions unite and hold the black and white local and international upper class accountable to reduce the divide between rich . .more

by De La Rey on March 02 2007, 12:58
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Culture, No? Envy?

by Us plebes - what do we have in common? on March 02 2007, 14:38
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Exactly what do you mean by "upper class" ?

by Cynic on March 02 2007, 17:47
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How is the Afrikaner culture shoved down your throat?
You can watch english/ american TV, you could listen to pure english radio, you could use your language at work, the Afrikaner is written out of the history books. In fact its just the other way around. The english culture is shoved down the . .more

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 09:55
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Mobilizing the masses will get easier as things break down. To build 2010 stadiums yet have so many ...

by Castro on March 01 2007, 14:49
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Angry White African Bastard...
Dear Editor

Affirmative Action, Black Economic Empowerment and the South African Financial Services Charter.

I was shocked to discover that the Gazetted Financial Services Charter prima facie appears to allow for the . .more

by Carl Wille on March 01 2007, 14:59
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Maybe Mkebi and co want to clone the Euro-zone to Africa-zone but are too naive to understand the co...

by not a boertjie on March 01 2007, 15:13
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well said carl

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 15:24
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by anonymous on March 01 2007, 15:24
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Jako Maree
Nice piece Carl, It seems Jako Maree of standard Bank insisted on the wording, because he said there arn't enough skills in SA. So the so called Afrikaner leaders have let us down again. Personally I think all our troubles are due to their . .more

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 15:46
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My understanding is that Jaco is a Hilton College boy and not an Afrikaner?

by Carl Wille on March 01 2007, 15:51
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His Daddy was that apartheid plonker Maree who ran ESKOM
Jacko is just a closet engelsman

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 08:01
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cry me a river, Carle
the bush war obviously cooked your brain, if you honestly expect anyone to take your naive crybaby nonesence seriously. Harden the F*** UP and accept that the sovereign ANC state will do whatever it pleases,which includes siphoning off corporate . .more

by 1 on March 01 2007, 17:08
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Poor Carl
I am yet to be disappointed by George Orwell's astounding and might I add accurate depiction of post liberation dispensations. Animal farm contains unrefutable truths about power and politics. "All animals are equal" later to be read " All animals . .more

by Mokhethi on March 02 2007, 14:22
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I salute you Carl

I think you are a brave warrior and a leader who is prepared to fight for what you believe in.

Being employed by a financial institution you certainly have stuck your head out.

We need more of your calibre.

I . .more

by Jack on March 03 2007, 12:52
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I salute you and all other brave South Africans Jack....and
Thank you for your excellent and thought provoking contibutions to this topic. I agree there must be a better way...let's challenge the staus quo... and find it.

by Carl Wille on March 03 2007, 16:25
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Gilliomee's comment on De la Rey and FNB
This commentary is spot - on! It is ironic that the ANC battle for liberation from oppression and injustice in a quest to regain the dignity of the black man in South Africa are now guilty of the same - albeit in the name of affirmative action and . .more

by A.D.Pelser, Stellenbosch on March 01 2007, 15:09
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Pelser stop whining - rocks got prefferential treatment under the nats, and now u want same again!!!

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 15:23
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Whining?
Brave man, "anonymous" - no idea what a rock is, but spiders operate in the dark, anonymously!

by Pelser on March 01 2007, 15:48
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bekvluitjie!!!!!

by spider+rock=brittle, fragile race on March 02 2007, 10:00
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yes they are so brittle, the english took 500 000 soldiers to beat 80 000 farmers by killing their w...
Wow but the english are so superieur.!?

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 10:07
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the dutchies really knew how to rule this land (& other hilarious stories)

by crunch crunch ja sersant!!!! on March 02 2007, 13:57
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I assume you were one of the poefters who couldn't do 3 pushups.

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 14:05
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I assume you were a one-striped tonsil from anusfontein

by ons sal lewe, ons sal ha F****** ha on March 02 2007, 15:30
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You moron, only a poefter thinks the sersant runs the troops around!

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 17:51
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ANC - the false prophet of the book of Revelation

by Trevora on March 01 2007, 15:45
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Spirit
The negative responces here to Afrikaaners is typical of the sentiment amongst so many of the liberal(sic) white english speaking people of SA. Instead of addressing the underlying issue which has real merit they deflect the issue by pointing out . .more

by JA on March 01 2007, 15:46
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There is no place for racists (under Afrikaner pretence) in SA; get it in your little head!!!
Blood was spilled in 1976 to rid SA of these exclusive "its our culture" nonsense. If you want your own Ermelo Hoerskool; go Down Under and practice these exclusive racist culture there. We will ensure that all racists leave SA. As for FNB, why do . .more

by Mute Fool on March 01 2007, 15:47
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Kan julle rey?
As far as I am concerned "white leaders" gave us apartheid and which ever way you cut it that was dumb. Then the stupid "whores" sell out so that they can hold on to their ill gotten gains.

Until the afrikaner clears out, the turn coats . .more

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 15:53
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clearly you are a mute fool
An attitude like that is not going to get anyone anywhere. Obviously you are a mute fool if you cannot comprehend the deeper meaning of things in this world. You said and I quote "We will ensure that all racists leave SA." Why dont your so-called . .more

by Death and Taxes on March 01 2007, 16:35
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Oh God, here goes babbling Billy again!

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 17:47
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Mute Fool, you should arrange visas and pack your bags ASAP.

by AvgJoe on March 02 2007, 09:28
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Proud of culture is not racism.
To be proud of your culture us not racism. Every ethnic group should be able to nurture its culture in South Africa. And the cause for crime is certainly not poverty. There are many poor people in India, China but the crime rates are not nearly . .more

by Pierneef on March 02 2007, 10:03
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Proud of our heritage and country
Once again I repeat Hermann Gilliomee,Paul Harris etc speak out is because they LOVE this country and are true patriots.To be accused of being racists,harking back to the good old times etc just doesn't wash.God Bless this country and long may they . .more

by The Oracle of Delmas on March 01 2007, 15:59
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Class Struggle....
I trust that soon we will see past the divide and rule strategy that foreigners and the upper class have always utilised in AFRICA to exploit our wealth and our people. English, Afrikaans, Black, White, Zulu, Xhosa, Basutu and so on. What price . .more

by Carl Wille on March 01 2007, 16:05
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thought provoking
An interesting article which challenges my knee jerk reaction to the thinly veiled racist comments from a poster who calls himself De la Rey.
Afrikaners have every right to their cultural heritage - and indeed, reclaiming the wealth of . .more

by Golda on March 01 2007, 16:12
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It seems to me De la Rey kom ons ley, is a cry from the youth, basically because they have been sold down the river by FW, Ton Vosloo, Steve Booysen, Koos Bekker.

Before the Afrikaner starts blaming the "Blacks" its time to cleanse the . .more

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 17:07
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True freedom
Whilst many white people have also been liberated from the political indoctrination under apartheid, under the new consitution we may say what we feel, but it would seem only to the extent where it suits government....it would seem that (like in . .more

by Anonymus on March 01 2007, 17:12
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Ek lei - bly weg De la Rey

by Kortbroek on March 01 2007, 17:20
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The Afrikaners had 46 years in charge of this country, and what a c0ckup they made of it. And then,...

by Beholder on March 01 2007, 17:49
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Cockup?
So what would you have done differently? I suppose you would have had no apartheid as a start. But as a last you would have had a Zimbabwe to show for your efforts. Your sentiment is so much like English speaking white South Africans. You are more . .more

by JA on March 01 2007, 18:03
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You heard right... And you're making the same mistake again. This isn't an Afrikaner versus the re...

by Beholder on March 01 2007, 18:15
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Confused.co.za
I think you should read your comments. You clearly don't understand what you say and can't interpret what you mean. Perhaps this is the dum verus the stupid!

by JA on March 01 2007, 21:53
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If I look at the chaos the current regime is causing I have to agree

by Bullet on March 01 2007, 22:00
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Afrikaner c0ckup
Wasn't it FNB that had ex-ANC minister Mac Maharah on its board?
Funny how the Cronies have not minded sitting on the boards of all those Apartheid institutions.
SABC has replaced its yes-men with yebo-people.

Surely SASOL & . .more

by Racist means critic in NewSaSpeak on March 02 2007, 11:28
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For the moment the ANC holds all the cards, but
the history of SA is still a work in progress. The ANC era too will pass away and their monumental failure will be written out of the history books of the whoever takes the reins.

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 18:23
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We are not scared of Gillomee's veiled threats. If Afrikaners want a fight they will get a fight. Th...

by Shaka Zulu on March 01 2007, 18:54
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Above Comments
I do appreciate all your humerous comments. It is strange that one Afrikaner singing about the history of one Afrikaner leader could cause such a hoe-haa. Already you guys are cleaning guns, and saying no to an Afrikaner regime. This proofs one . .more

by Just Saying on March 01 2007, 19:34
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Hear hear Wise words Just Saying

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 21:19
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You absolute insecurity is showing!

by Bullet on March 01 2007, 22:03
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Ouma en oom Herman sit op die stoep
When their cronies were running the country, the Stellenbosch pseudo-intellectuals loved to proclaim at length on how Durkheim, or Weber, or Saussure (or whatever European male had been discussed at the last seminar they attended on a . .more

by wikkelspies on March 01 2007, 20:03
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one white oke singing DE La Ray

by How do you upset 40 mil blacks ? on March 01 2007, 21:52
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Paranoia driven by inferiority complexes

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 22:06
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Yip.Just a guy singing song and SA wants to go to war.IDIOTIC!!!!

by anonymous on March 01 2007, 22:31
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Nobody cares if 40mil blacks are upset about a song, its not if the song has any reference to black ...
Do any body care? I don't . I play the song every night before bedtime. Ha ha. If someone ask me to switch of the music I would tell them to F#ck off! The rest of the country is so concerned with what the Afrikaners do, I think they know more about . .more

by Pierneef on March 02 2007, 14:01
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ja -- dis die swartes en engelse alweer! Jy het the jude en Rome se gevaar vergiet

by Sout Piel on March 01 2007, 23:01
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aagh man gee my die machine gun ek sal hulle almal skiet.

by zoomer on March 02 2007, 02:30
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Praat Afrikaans of hou jou Bek

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 08:07
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De la Rey
Thank you for having the courage to speak out. I just wish that all South Africans would once and for all forgive each other and allow one another space in our great land. Isn't it a good thing that people are finding their own identity again, and . .more

by EvK on March 02 2007, 05:19
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EvK
I totally agree with you on that one. I am Afrikaans , but have a lot of friends in the English, Portuguese, Italian and N-Sotho and Venda Communities. All of them GREAT people with intigrety. Such a same that you get people that always try and find . .more

by Just Saying on March 02 2007, 07:08
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It's TREATMENT Action Campaign.....

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 07:19
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Afrikaaners complaining that they are treated as 2nd class citizens? The wheel turns, boetie
What a laugh! Its your turn ,guys. When you were top dog, you never gave a sh*t about anyone else. lt was your way all the way for, what, 50 years.... Tell your children how you used to ram Afrikaans and Afrikaanerdom down everyone's . .more

by Listen up! on March 02 2007, 08:39
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Do you want to provoke that kind of Afrikaner resurgence?

by What did you expect after effective British genocide? on March 02 2007, 10:27
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the Boer War and the TRC
The reference to British genocide is appropriate.
It is possible that a TRC after the Boer War would've had prevented the degeneration of a volk into the abyss of Apartheid?
Interestingly enough, AFTER 1994 I have visited, and and been . .more

by Golda on March 02 2007, 10:44
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Disease was the issue. Logistics then are not what they are now.

by There was never a British policy of genocide. There was incompetence on a massive scale. on March 02 2007, 11:05
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It was not Brittish policy to burn down all farm buildings and kill all livestock ?
So what happened? We could learn from the brittish , because all the wrongdoings of the past was never official policy. Luckilly they control the media, so they'll focus on the Nazi's and Apartheid.

But the Brittish do not like . .more

by Pierneef on March 02 2007, 14:16
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are different. Even 911 showed that and Iraq. Ever heard of Muldergate? Afrikaners controlled press.

by naive and incorrect, free press in many languages exist. Guerilla warfare and conventional warfare on March 02 2007, 19:13
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current problems.

by TRC was a failure. We are in the abyss of BEE which discriminates like apartheid.Hence the on March 02 2007, 11:08
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So you say - it being "our turn" and all - dIscrimination is here to stay, only the colours went vice-versa?

The need for revenge is going to make a bitter individual out of you. Get out of the way so that South Africans can get on with . .more

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 10:46
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Please remember we voted ourselves out of power with the 1991 referendum. We did that for an improved society, where every culture has its place in this country.

Now its our turn? whoo I'm scared!! You can't dictate what me , my family . .more

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 11:20
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Yes, you are correct but not giving the background/history. Please provide detail regarding job reservation for other (English) language speaking employees e.g. in the mining industry. Furthermore, please elaborate on the Afrikaner job creation . .more

by JAYJAY on March 02 2007, 13:00
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Financial Services Charter
Affirmative Action, Black Economic Enrichment and the South African Financial Services Charter.

I was shocked to discover that the Gazetted Financial Services Charter prima facie appears to allow for the Affirmation and Empowerment of . .more

by De La Rey on March 02 2007, 08:32
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Rumour has it....
That the following people are employed in the financial services sector in South Africa. It would be interesting to know whether the have pre-1994 South African credentials and whether their employers have included them in EE Reports and FSC Charter . .more

by Activist on March 02 2007, 08:37
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Out the bastards
Lets kick them in the teeth and send them home to fight mugabe, the racist bastards

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 12:24
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Time to send letter to your President and your Bank..?

by Sage on March 02 2007, 08:38
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Koos de la Rey – The iconic Freedom Fighter
Professor Giliomee speaks of the “atomisation of society,” and the political processes that reduce individuals to “moral loneliness”.

To be true, it would not be appropriate to even speak of society once this cancer of social . .more

by Jack on March 02 2007, 08:44
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Well written Jack. I believe...
South Africans must find the common ground and understand who is the common enemy. We cannot offord to be divided by an a small greedy elite and their foreign partners who increasingly do not appear to care about South Africans or Africans. Stand up . .more

by Carl Wille on March 02 2007, 13:20
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I would credit the Afrikaner for building this country
as usual Jack u have hit the nail on the head. another outsanding piece. maybe u do not realise it but what u are in fact saying is that down the road it is going to be "afrikaners" and "blacks" in sa that are the dominant cultural forces. quo . .more

by english on March 02 2007, 13:27
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African or Afrikaner?
Is it not simply a translation and are we not all Africans i.e. from Africa? Common ground? Is it not more about where your heart and loyalties lie? As opposed to what language you speak? Of is ek verkeerd?

by De La Rey on March 02 2007, 13:34
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It’s just the way we see the world!

by No crime problem, no AIDS problem, no ability to build, no concept of future… on March 02 2007, 13:49
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A brilliant vision of the future Jack

by VISION on March 02 2007, 17:38
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Why pick on De la Rey. Have you heard how Leon Schuster on his latests Cd nails the government on ev...
It is all funny songs poking at the current situation. He is a lot more rude and direct to the ANC etc but nobody notice because Leon Schuster is probably to "uncool". A few rightwing assholes over react on DLRey on now all Afrikaners is racist who . .more

by Touchy songs on March 02 2007, 08:48
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Saki Macozoma was right
So basically Saki Macozoma was right, it's the Afrikaaners against the rest...

by Mkhonto on March 02 2007, 09:04
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It is actually the other way around.
Afrikaners just want to get on with their lives and help to build this country. But every time Afrikaners differ with the ANC or complain then everybody is against THEM and they are labelled whining whiteys who must go. Cannot take criticism. If my . .more

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 09:25
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Exactly. The attitude is that were it not for the Afrikaner, every black would be driving a BMW

by Cynic on March 02 2007, 12:47
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Mkhonto
I do not know how you come to the deduction " It's the Afrikaners against the rest..." scenario. I am an Afrikaner. Born and bred in a "stoerre Afrikaanse huis" . With all the Afrikaans traditions that goes with it. I even have a cupboard in my home . .more

by Just Saying on March 02 2007, 09:45
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If you really want to defuse it; why do u advocate "having your own space" like Ermelo Hoerskool?
South Africans are longing to taste the fruits of Her riches. You insist on the status quo, where you keep all your ill-gotten riches, have exclusive spaces of your own, black mouth our country overseas, work against the democratic govt, resist all . .more

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 10:41
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NONE
We will help you build up your own. We have an absolute right to what we have built up. Damn you for even suggesting ours is ill-gotten riches. Your poverty is the product of your unproductive and unstructured culture. Yes we will resist sharing . .more

by You have no right to what we have built up on March 02 2007, 11:16
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You had no right to build anything on land that does not belong to you!
You talk as if you have any choice, we were too generous at CODESA or had some illusions about your good faith to work with us. We are slow repossessing what belongs to us; you know what happens if you resist hey?

by Mute Fool on March 02 2007, 11:44
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Mute poepol
You are no better than PW etc. Mandela will be ashamed if he reads all your comments. You take it so far I sometimes think you are a sick puppy playing with all of us and not really that big racist.

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 12:06
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Please define yourself.
Where shall you begin other than the most vulgar definition in terms of skin colour? Your US never had any unity - Disparate tribes of marauding savages killing and displacing and enslaving each other – who have to this day not invented as much as . .more

by Who are your US? on March 02 2007, 12:10
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Mute fool... ho hum...
Mute

'tis always wisest policy to shut up and let others think you are a fool than open your mouth and prove you are one. Given your self- confessed orally -challenged state; it is obvious that your access to modern western computer . .more

by Lord de Maxibonne on March 02 2007, 13:13
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Why dont you give us your name and lets see you fool?

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 14:17
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Mute-bobbejaan-You belong in an institution. Go and hand yourself over, so that they could protect y...

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 15:16
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Translation of Mute Fool
Dom D***?

by just askin' on March 03 2007, 11:27
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by anonymous on March 02 2007, 13:00
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Black Leader and Chips on Shoulders...?
It would appear that are leaders connot handle criticsm. Maybe a cultural thing? And that every time criticism is levelled whether constructive or not they seek to label the person racist? Or am I wrong?

by De la Rey on March 02 2007, 11:34
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Ermelo Hoërskool ?
Tell me are you Christain ? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is your absolute savior ? Is your mother tongue of your children Afrikaans ? Do you make use of sangomas ? Do you believe in Marxism ? Whether you are pink, purple black or white if you . .more

by Just Saying on March 02 2007, 12:08
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by You do realize the term Political Correctness (PC) emanated in Stalinism days... on March 02 2007, 12:50
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The same will just not be possible to achieve
here. The reasons are obvious. Although a lot of people might disagree with me, I have seen a "upliftment" in moral, pride, hertigage and religion. Which is the core of a healthy society. The morals of such a healthy society will not stand for . .more

by Just Saying on March 02 2007, 13:20
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Dit maak nie saak nie; i passed Wiskende and conquired you with my bare hands and stones!! You can n...

by Mute Fool on March 02 2007, 14:36
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by A vulgar barbarian you are on March 02 2007, 14:41
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Yeah the baboon said that to the tiger too!

by Cynic on March 02 2007, 15:41
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While the tiger plucked the C*** from between his teeth ...

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 17:57
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Jannie Momberg's joke
Lighten up fellas - don't get bogged down in semantics. So much is lost in translation.
Reminds me of a joke Jannie Momberg used to tell, about Piet and Frikkie cruising through the ouskirts of Jhb, sometime in the 80's.
Dark figures in . .more

by Golda on March 02 2007, 14:19
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Whats all the fuss about?
Jeez, what is it with you guys. Don't you know that you lost? Your leaders at CODESA simply rolled over - it was P*******. We often talk about how the Boere Leadership blinked (especially when they became worried about their pensions ) - as for . .more

by ft2 on March 02 2007, 14:55
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SA vs Rest of Africa
At least we voluntarily gave up power. Something the rest of Africa haven't heard of.
In the rest of Africa it was all about coup d'etat and plundering till another coup d'etat could start another plundering. It as about what international . .more

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 15:10
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ft2 & MuteFool
Thank you for a another wonderful episode of the Native Club Rejects Comedy Association. Had me in stitches, truly some good stuff. Looking forward to Episode IV!

(no, that's not a spelling error, it means "four"...)

by AvgJoe on March 02 2007, 15:29
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And the zoots with 10,000 years of nothing are the future!

by anonymous on March 02 2007, 15:49
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Unless the Afrikaner takes control of his own future

by A dark future indeed on March 02 2007, 16:06
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Whats all the fuss about?
P******* = P******* (Moneyweb whats up?)

Manne, such anger. Don't direct your anger at us....direct it at your so-called leaders who rolled over so softly, what was his name De Klergiourius? I wonder how many of them are still here?

by ft2 on March 02 2007, 17:13
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Affirmative Action
The popular reason given for affirmative action is to "correct injustices of the past".
I strongly question whether this is the true motivation of the ANC.

Let's look at the "progress", on some of the greatest injustices of the . .more

by Injustice? on March 02 2007, 15:14
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Our biggest challenge...are we up to it?
A broader understanding of corruption allows a more effective response

Corruption takes place at the interface between the public and private sectors. It is essential to recognise this in developing a common understanding and approach to . .more

by De La Rey on March 02 2007, 15:54
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Mute Fool & FT2
Yip I threw out the bait and they swallow like hungry fish ! My point is made. We have radical left wingers posing a bigger security risk to the government of SA. I wonder when the arrests will start like on the Boeremag members.

by Just Saying on March 02 2007, 16:26
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Eish – our external locus of control darem!!!

This tiresome treatise is ideologically loaded and entirely premised on Marxist thinking.

Dit is “om die bobejaan agter die berg uit te gaan haal.”

It reveals more about the writer’s communist leanings and sordid . .more

by Oom Koos on March 02 2007, 20:07
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Sixth premise
Mostly when you hear a minister talks you think.....he/she doesn`t know what they are talking about and wonder who they hire to write the speeches.The goverment act/talk big on corruption,but it is all a smokescreen to cover their own tracks.Even . .more

by Openbaring on March 04 2007, 07:17
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by Kortbroek on March 02 2007, 22:02
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New Afrikaner unity
Go to the Theuns Eloff article in Mail and Guardian (online).
'New Afrikaner unity a call for leadership'

by Golda on March 03 2007, 09:22
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Class struggle or values dichotomy?

To our friend who has posted a number of comments under the pseudonym ‘De la Rey’,

It is so easy to mobilize the disenfranchised into a struggle in which you portend the end of all evil and promise the dawn of . .more

by Jack on March 03 2007, 10:18
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Koos Kombuis in gesprek met Bok van Blerk

Koos Kombuis in gesprek met die nuwe musiekheld van jong Suid-Afrika


'n Paar weke gelede hoor en sien ek die eerste keer Bok van Blerk se liedjie "De la Rey" op die MK89-kanaal.

My eerste ervaring van die liedjie . .more

by Koos Kombuis on March 03 2007, 12:12
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thank you Koos Kombuis and Jack
This online debate is finally getting somewhere. Thank you both for lifting it out of the gutter. As for Golda: I have a gut feeling that a resurrection of Afrikaner heritage and identity is one of the most exciting things happening in South Africa . .more

by Golda on March 03 2007, 13:10
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Koos Kombuis
Voorheen as ek gesien het Koos Kombuis, het ek gedink .......... hou verby.Ek het al gehoor jy skryf redelik.Ek moet se jou brief het goeie insig en is nie net geskryf om te skryf nie.Ek sal voorentoe `n bietjie meer lees oor wat jy skryf en nie net . .more

by Openbaring on March 04 2007, 06:46
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Could Peter Moyo plese tell me...
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Chater Scorecard?

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:01
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Could Samuel Ogbu please tell me...
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Charter Scorecard?

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:02
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Could Tendai Musikavhanu please tell me...?
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Charter Scorecard?

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:06
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Could Ralph Mupita please tell me...
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Charter Scorecard?

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:07
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Could Gary Dombo please tell me...?
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Charter Scorecard?

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:10
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Could Godfrey Nti please tell me...?
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Charter Scorecard?

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:12
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Could Tetiwe Jawuna please tell me..?
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Charter Scorecard?

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:13
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Could Quinton Zunga please tell me...?
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Charter Scorecard?

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:14
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Is anyone else out there...?
Before I find you please come clean.

by De La Rey on March 03 2007, 16:17
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Koos Kombuis
Hoekom jy juis "bagasie" met jou saamgedra het sal net jy weet. Ek vermoed duisende voormalige weermaglede en SAP lede dra tot vandag toe nog bagasie saam met hulle, en tog is dit onnodig. Tye het verander, wat was, was 'n staat van oorlog waar jong . .more

by Just Saying on March 03 2007, 17:42
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FT2
Hi there Faintly Thinker ! I see you're still on the dope ! I thought you've gone for rehab so that we can have a decent , deeeep intellectual discussion. But bro ! It wo'nt be possible with you and MT pumped up on so much dope man !!!!!

by Just Saying on March 03 2007, 18:01
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Mdladlane said it 4 us. (Wake up and smell the (black) coffee!)
Hey JS, did u see this?

'Get used to affirmative action' Affirmative Action policies will never be ruled out in South Africa, Labour Minister Membathisi Mdladlane said on Saturday. "Contrary to Parliamentary calls by opposition Democratic . .more

by ft2 on March 04 2007, 11:11
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by never say never.... on March 04 2007, 16:58
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ANY THOUGHTS ON WHITE NATIONALISM, NOT BOER VS ROOINEK

by CYNIC II on March 03 2007, 18:32
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Cynic II
Yes acctually a lot . My opinion is actually that Afrikaner Nationalism is an inclusive ideoligy. Things changed quite a lot over the years , please also visit www.praag.co.za or www.praag.org you will find a link to the white economic forum. The . .more

by Just Saying on March 03 2007, 18:53
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Mdladlane said it 4 us. (Wake up and smell the (black) coffee!)


Hey JS, did u see this?

'Get used to affirmative action' Affirmative Action policies will never be ruled out in South Africa, Labour Minister Membathisi Mdladlane said on Saturday. "Contrary to Parliamentary calls by . .more

by ft2 on March 04 2007, 11:13
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FT2
I can see you're heavy on the dope again, did you see they trying to clasify Chinese people also as BEE empowerment. Did you see what the Chinese did in Botswana roundabout two months ago, shot a guy (Black guy) during a strike. Now they are . .more

by Just Saying on March 04 2007, 13:08
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JS: You want to know where this dump is going?
Read 'Horrelpoot' by Eben Venter. An amazing insight into the mentality of the the average African, and the effects resulting from this attitude. (Not that we havent seen it!)

by Cynic on March 05 2007, 10:13
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FT2
That's the point I am trying to make Cynic, the Chess players made their move, everything is set for a check mate , but everyone concentrates on protecting the queen not the king.

by Just Saying on March 05 2007, 12:53
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JS - Ah My China
Give me "my China" over a whitie any day.

At least the little slit-eye is honest about one thing - and thats what he needs he pays big for and f%%^k the rest.

And yes I am well aware that they hate us even more than they hate . .more

by ft2 on March 05 2007, 17:16
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yes


Nti please tell me...?
Whether he has pre-1994 links to South Africa and whether he has been included in any EE Report or FSC Charter Scorecard?

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www.buy-uggs-sale.com
My happiness is a small thing. Any one thing, as long as the willing, always simple. Easy to hurt others and themselves, and always away from the edge of obscure people. Desire to occupy more and more fragile. . .more

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