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Beware airtime schemes

Would-be businesspeople lose money on suspect “franchises”.

Julius Cobbett
13 February 2008 00:00

Beware of people peddling businesses based on cellphone airtime. There seem to be a number out there, with little track record of success.

Moneyweb has already profiled a company called Freetalk (and its corporate relatives: Resultfin and U Talk Mobile), which had a number of its "licencees" hot under the collar. The supposed franchisees claimed they were sold their businesses under false pretences. However, Freetalk said the licencees had not worked hard enough at their businesses to make a success of them.

Moneyweb invited successful licencees to contact us. None did, although we heard from several more unsuccessful ones.

Recently, we have heard of another, apparently unrelated, airtime scheme called Chat4Free.  It is operated by two businessmen, Johann Dreyer and Lee Samuels, who are perhaps best known for their involvement in a controversial Madiba Bay Safari World tourist development in Port Elizabeth in the Eastern Cape.

As with Freetalk, Chat4Free is based a reward card, which offers its holders discounts when swiped at "participating stores".

A number of Chat4Free licencees are unhappy with their "investments". Many are still hoping to get their money back. A couple who invested R1m in the scheme successfully sued Chat4Free for R1m.

In November last year, the Cape High Court ordered Chat4Free to pay R1m plus costs back to Martha and Petrus Cilliers, a couple who invested in Chat4Free. They have yet to receive this money. Dreyer and Samuels have yet to return Moneyweb's calls.

Last Thursday another cellphone scheme reared its head on Sharechat, an online investing forum. Members reacted with scepticism.

The scheme, called Ictel, apparently offers fixed-line calls from 10c per minute. It also has a rewards scheme where customers earn income from referring new business.



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Scams abound yet the government just sites there unpreturbed
There a thousand of business scams going around SA. If one gets caught up in them, the only recourse they have is in the civil courts.It seems the government has no willpower to make these scams illegal and the police have no interest in bringing . .more

by JOHHNY DEEP on February 13 2008, 08:26
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to good to be true?
If something sounds to good to be true, it probably is.

by Wayne on February 13 2008, 09:36
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A fool and his money .. is good for business
Wonder how did these fools accumulate money to "invest" in the first place if they so gullibile?

by Johnny on February 13 2008, 12:39
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icTel - Any more information yet?
>>The scheme, called Ictel, apparently offers fixed-line calls from 10c per minute. It also has a rewards scheme where customers earn income from referring new business.Your details regarding ictel is not informative at all, mostly sceptical.I'm . .more

by Louis on February 14 2008, 02:20
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ICTel
Need more info on icTel. Are they also a scheme?

by Lettie Stander on February 14 2008, 06:29
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iCTEL
Dont make me laugh... No one has at this point in time invested a single cent in iCTEL.... When it is fully launched in the near future it will require a monthly contribution of R79 for having the priviledge of 5000 free minutes from iCTEL to iCTEL . .more

by Willem S Griebenow raised2serve@vodamail.co.za on February 14 2008, 17:24
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ICTel - 123websites.co.za
Check out the website of their webdesign company 123websites.co.za, the content of the home page is taken from the website http://www.epsit.com/ecommerce.php and no contact details on their website either

by Martin on February 15 2008, 15:09
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iCTel where and who are you?
If a "company ?" only provides a PO Box number and not a physical address, one should ask questions and rather park, before driving over a proverbial cliff. Secondly, has anybody researched this company's details at the Registrar? The registration . .more

by Gerrit on February 18 2008, 09:41
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iCTel
Look, the worst is that they have freely and easily collected a database of names and email addresses that they can sell to marketing companies. No harm to the people that signed up. If on the other hand it's legit (which I think it is), then it's a . .more

by Luqman on February 18 2008, 17:21
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iCTel
" But if MTN decides to invoke the fine print in its contracts, they will pay far more. Anyone caught using Skype or a similar service would be whacked with a charge of R21,93/MB, excluding VAT. MTN’s small print points out: “In terms of the current . .more

by Robert mugabe on February 19 2008, 11:00
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iCtel Address
According to www.cipro.co.za ICTEL was registard on the 21st of January 2008. Their details:ICTEL CC 2008/001108/07926 Tonetti StreetFaerle Glen0043PO Box 39713Faerle Glen0043Hope this is a ligit Co. We all can make some BUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Arno on February 19 2008, 18:47
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ICTel - 123websites.co.za
After I posted the message that the content of their website has been copied from other websites, they have removed the content and the site now says that they are in the process of upgrading their site...

by Martin on February 21 2008, 10:27
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ICTel - company registration
If they registered only this year, why does the company registration number at the bottom of their site show that they registered in 1998? "1998/001366/07"And no contact details on their site, and notice the distinct lack of info about the product . .more

by Lauryan on February 21 2008, 14:22
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ICTEL - lowcallrates
This is another domain registered by a certain Bernard promoting ICTEL.They've also got tons of affiliate links etc up in Google's Search, and have various ICTEL "Events" for their multilevel marketing up. Unfortunately one can only see the events. . .more

by Anon on February 24 2008, 14:59
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ICTEL - who, where?
Just did some research. The owner of the website or at least the guy who registered ictel.co.za resides in Jeffreys Bay. He is also the guy who owns and runs 123websites.co.za, but is not the same guy who registered the domain 123websites.co.za. ??? . .more

by RayG on March 06 2008, 20:29
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iCtel info
their physical address is available on their website. has anyone complaining here tried contacting them via the contact us? if they replied - why did you not post the replies here?have you read their website? have you seen that rates have gone down? . .more

by izmo on March 07 2008, 11:33
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JUST WAIT AND SEE
I've read a lot of your articles, some of them real food for thought. I've registered and actually waiting for my number (at present), been waiting for it for last 2 weeks or so (frustrating though because i WANNA GET STAARTED!!!!), the latest so . .more

by Craig (jhb) on March 24 2008, 09:12
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OH! Just byyy the way...
Anyone wanna sign...under me????? ;) www.ictel.co.za/6549 I COULD do with some extra's?

by Craig (jhb) on March 24 2008, 09:22
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ICTEL Update
I have sent one of my business associates to ICTEL in Pretoria. They will be checking there operation. Let’s see what they come up with?? Innocent, until proven guilty. Let’s give then the benefit of the doubt.

by liveurdreams on March 24 2008, 13:26
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address 1005 Cura Street, Equestria
I live in Cura street, the street has only 4 blocks and ends on a security estate, the highest number in that street is probably 100

by Marce on March 27 2008, 09:34
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freetalk etc
freetalk, utalk, UTM,freetalk global. People lost millions in this scam

by charmaine on March 27 2008, 15:31
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Address - Marce
It is indeed there because I've been there for a meeting, it is on a plot. You got it wrong because there is not a Cura street in Equestria, it is Cura Avenue as it states on the website.

by Johnathan on April 16 2008, 09:10
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ictel
sent them messages no response yet triel call the co.za 123websites registra tel no voice mail

by Brian on May 01 2008, 11:33
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icTel with fring on mobile phone is awesome. Took some time to get up and running. Even running via ...
If nothing else, they have brough a lot of awareness to VOIP service, especially cheap calls from your mobile phone in SA.Interresting that Telkom is so quite about anything VOIP... hehe, when in contract BritishTelekom wen't all out on VOIP, and . .more

by Louis on May 20 2008, 20:53
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ICTEL LATEST UPDATE
Has anyone found more info on ICTEL? Buisness oppurtunities etc.

by Carl on May 26 2008, 10:37
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iCTel - Lates update : Desktop Demo running, Mobile version on its way
On my blog www.myictel.co.cc I am writing actively on icTel development
Landline calls currently not working but iCTel to iCTel and Demo account to iCTel working.
It looks very promising but only time will tell if they will provide a really . .more

by Louis on May 29 2008, 23:04
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iCtel - Works
I'm registered with iCtel. It works, made calls from PC and my mobile phone using their softphones, I can safely say that this is not a scam. I also tried it using Xlite and Fring (both 3rd party softphones), it also worked. Voice quality quite . .more

by Ken on August 26 2008, 16:35
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iCTel 3 month free promotion is coming to an end, wonder what will happen next?
I have been using iCTel for free (and blogging on ictel.wordpress.com) for the past 3 months and am really happy with the quality (much better than SkypeOut and I can run it on my cell phone...

Now that the free 3 month promotion is ending . .more

by Lui007 on September 04 2008, 00:10
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Chat4Free
I think that chat4free was a wonderful idea, the Lee samuels and Johann Dreyer both did great work into the project. The problem I heard arose from the government being delayed in issuing licences and the couple that invested R1 million got into . .more

by Annoynmous on January 04 2009, 18:31
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cht4free

If the government would have been fair there were not gonna be any corruption made.

by annonymous on February 11 2009, 14:18
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